Saturday, May 12, 2012

A civil conversation with a Ron Paul supporter, Part 2

The following is part two of a previously published conversation....


Friend: I don't think we disagree on where we want this country to go i think its on the path we take. This video has no political affiliation. It has many parts but I ask that you please watch a few of them to help you better understand my point of view. The greatest leaps in achievements in the history of mankind happened in America before 1913 under the rule of our constitution. There was no inflation during that time. People kept what they earned which inspired them to work. What is wrong with that model?

 

Obamas2012.blogspot.com: First off he is absolutely wrong about existentialism, it is a philosophy that necessitates action only in the present. Whereas traditional Western philosophy, which he prescribes too obviously in his continual reference that everything is simply the result of cause and effect. He wishes to present arguments in absolutes to crowd the issue and force partisanship. There can be no compromise. This logic of simplification allows him to always work within the logic of what he deems to be an acceptable cause. He really drives this logical paradigm with his condescending remarks towards a college education. Inflation as he notes supplies more money. Yet he only immediately notes how it displaces the wealth from the rich and gives it to the poor. Once more he is reiterating his logic of oversimplification. The creation of an income tax and the establishment of the Federal Reserve put accountability in the hands of the voters who elect politicians to enact the regulations under the new initiatives. Yes, prior to 1913 everything was insanely cheap, but at the same time if you have ever read any Charles Dickens, Stephen Crane or John Steinbeck you can see how the early American capitalistic system run by corporate industrialists and supported by conservative Republican's rarely provided the adequate salary necessary to sustain a family much less one individual. He has the nerve to simplify inflation saying "for you to collect something, you didn't have to do anything. Is this great..... And somebody who does produce something now is stolen from (min 7:00)", Again, attempting to mystify through misinformation and strictly limiting the scope of argument to his biased logic only using a vernacular of generalities, clumping the labor of the lower class who worked in the most despicable conditions in the world prior to 1913, with that of wealthy industrialists and their working class families. So what difference does it make if bread is 10 cents and a house is a thousand dollars when elitist prevent you from moving into their neighborhoods and your corporate back foreman pays your less than 5 cents a day? Why do you think women and children worked sixty hours a week prior to the creation of income tax and the federal reserve for a salary that bought them nothing, barely enough to show up for work at the factory and put in another 12 hour shift in inhumane conditions. He then goes to attack Karl Marx not in logically arguing his opinion, but invalidating him as a person referring to him as a Hollywoodesque character and then oversimplifying his economic theories as "the poor stealing from the rich." All the while he plays the Hollywoodesque role of the fool, to mislead the audience. A happy go lucky, reluctant character lectures about a very real and dangerous threat to the Civil Rights for not just gays, women or African Americans, but for all working class citizens of the United States. Behind his soft demeanor he jabs at the very academic institutions that he uses to validate his own ideas (min. 9:53), this is another lie which allows him to appear as a knowledgeable "sage" source. Despite the fact that he wants the audience to avoid academics because he knows best and they need not bother themselves with its corrupt nature. He does not educate, he brain washes with his showmanship. I am glad you showed this video to me, I can really see where Ron Paul gets much of his political mannerisms. Speaking grand ideas, but always cowering behind the microphone as his Republican rivals blast their persona's. Truly the allegorical snake in the grass.

Friend: Believe me, I can tell this guy is bias and has an ulterior motive. but what he says in video 3 makes a lot of sense to me. I would really like to hear your opinion on videos 2-3 or 4. This guy has no connection to Ron Paul.

   

Obamas2012.blogspot.com: The making of a Country, M. Cleon Skousen is the book these lectures are based on.

Believes the price of objects to be a burden. Says the 100 years of the United States: no inflation or income tax (min. :40, 1:05) From U.S. Constitution to 1913 (min. 14:20) 1776-1913

First off the guy has the balls to wonder why we had no inflation, when everything was produced during the years of 1776-1913 with slave and indentured labor. Not once does he mention the enslavement of people or the perpetual bondage of indentured servitude, it is cost benefits in running an economy for hundreds of years. He withholds the historical truth that from 1776-1781 we were under the Article of Confederation, and each state produced its own currency which almost destroyed our young economy. This is all before he manages to condense 2900 years of human civilization (citing the Garden of Eden as our origin, min 3:16) between Moses preaching to the Midonites and Paul Revere riding his horse, to signal the Red Coats arrival. This is the "mystification" that I spoke of earlier. Using Reductionist logic, stating that a light in a primitive lantern from the Bronze Age is the same as a lantern used in the early stages of the Industrial Revolution. Its brilliant, he makes the audience believe that the those thousands of years were an insignificant evolutionary state in man, a mere chore from the divine that should not be analyzed and praised for its basis as the genesis of human ingenuity and intelligence. As far as he is concerned we should not wonder how man develop the art of writing or astronomy. If anyone SHOULD know, only him and his cadre. He speaks of socialism as any totalitarian state apparatus that conveniently fits his historical logic as "evil" or unnecessary to his process of mystification. Socialism is only a word to drive fear into the hearts of his middle class, audience (I only see gray hairs in the front roll, but I could be mistaken). I mean that whole period, Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, Alexander the Great, Moses, Jesus Christ, Muhammed, John Locke, John Calvin, Martin Luther, Soren Kierkegaard, Emmanuel Kant, William Shakespeare, Chaucer; these are just Western idols of human civilizations monument progress through meticulous centuries of labor. "Each according to his ability, to each according to his need, so everyone make sure he doesn't have ability wea've now described America's welfare program, if you work you lose....(5:00)" The wars, another quick liberal ideology drop to soften his appeal (min. 6:00), Ending wars is a non partisan for any neutral setting. Robert Fulton, steamboat, the beginning of American entrepreneurship. Another reductionist argument. Simplifying the evolution of United States industry, by using the word "profit" to associate a fictitious oppression (min. 6:17). I could sit here and dissect every single historical statement that he attempt to weave into his own economic theories. England outlawed the cotton gin not as a move towards socialism, but to allow the United States to continue to utilize its slave labor and cheaply produce the fabric. England was then able to begin its move from the industrial revolution to the next stage of capitalism (min. 7:30). He loves to cite the titans of industry, people who were assisted immensely through capital and inflation in order to develop their products; ending each story simply and with Reductionist logic, "they keep all their money." Man, and to say that everything came from American inventions. Germany and France during the 18th and 19th century were a utopia for all American scientists(min. 12:12). Will Rodgers jokes to to paint a picture of a simpler, fictitious time; putting down academia, he does not want you to learn about how the government and capitalism works; just take his word for it "it's complicated" so just take my reductionist logic and ignore any other opinion.

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